Recently I was playing on Apskaft on the vctf stars level, i went to take the flag and used the lightning gun to shoot some guy who was standing by (and obviously defending) the flag. I shot him once before realizing he was typing, but then finished him off with another shot, oblivious to the fact that I had done something wrong by doing this. I had 100add, so I 'sped' away, and at about halfway back to my base i was kicked from the server. Completely confused to why this had happend, i went back on and "mameApA]", the guy i shot and the one who kicked me, explained that the punishment of kicking me while using speed and carrying the flag, suited the crime of type killing.
Before this game I had thought that if you're going to type in the middle of any game, it's your problem if you get killed by standing out in the open. Surely there is nothing wrong with 'typekilling' - am i expected to not shoot this guy who
dont type while playing!
nothing wrong with shooting someone down who is typing !
it's his own fault, you did nothing wrong. ( i saw it ) ;)
If you're in the hunt, you're a target. Whether you move, stand, jump or suffer a lagout. Sparing someone that's not actively hunting could be considered a noble act, but killing him is NOT something that's to be frowned upon, and especially not something that deserves punishment!
However, since this particular incident happened on ApA, I believe the proper place to discuss the matter would be:
http://forum.apskaft.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=9
Idd, for all you know he could have been issuing tactical team messages and the moment you grabbed the flag he would stop typing and hit you in the back! Getting kicked for what you did is way overkill but the admins at apskaft are know to be trigger-happy ;) Do as Anni suggest and post you message at apskaft naming both guys!
My reaction to typing is simple; If I know the typer is not really playing or in a non offensive/defensive position I will usually leave him alone.
If i was the one getting shot at when typing I'd hate your for about 15 seconds, hunt you for all I'm worth. but then after those 15 secunds I'd be all normal again. cus hey! I'd do the exact same thing ^^
it does piss you off sometimes. but who gives a f**k! cry me a river. boooo :D
well, i dont think its fair that he kicked you. And its not a crime to typekill...but you will definetly get respect when u see someone typing and then wait till he's finished...and then fight him. i really respect the people who do that when i check out scores or when i am typing.
But the get back to the incident...you say that if you didnt shoot him....he would stop typin and shoot you..but when he wasnt typin at all you would have had to fight him too. But you should have been kicked...i typekill too sometimes...mostly its too late when i realize. And when u do typekill on purpose...just say sorry after it...like you didnt meant it...works too :) ;)
thanks for the replies, next time ill just shoot him once maby and pretend i didnt realise... >:D
im not gunna take it up with apskaft tho cos it may just turn unto an unecessary argument, but i think if you're going to type, either do it quickly or out of the way. However i still think every1 does it (typekills), so you can hardly punish someone because of it. Neway, in the future ill try and avoid killing people when they are typing...especially admins (who ApA seem to have rather a lot of imo).
yep everything you see is right imo. Just shoot him and pretend you didnt do it on purpose >:D :P
But i always type in a corner too. Else its my own fault.
But as ani said...its really noble to wait for someone thats standing still (checking scores or typing)..and wait till he's finished and then start the fight. you will really get alot of :)respect for those deeds.
Quote from: Jonny on 2006-06-14 21:20:03
"mame[ApA]", the guy i shot and the one who kicked me, explained that the punishment of kicking me while using speed and carrying the flag, suited the crime of type killing.
This is total nonsense again >:( Another nickmongrel! Though it's just a short version of "maXmex", u didn't know it. Aswell other nonregulars could have guessed it.
Server rules say that regular players can't fakenick, especially if the person has admin rights >:( So I see a definate rulebreaking by an admin here, not u Jonny. Typekilling IS disturbing but u can't always see what the "typer" is actually doing - maybe he's sniping u instead :P It really depends of a situation whether to have mercy on the "innocent" or just brutally murder it >:D And godamn, if u type in open space, not facing wall or corner, expect to be killed and just deal with it :)
So yeah, shame on our admins (once again :-[). If something like this happens to u again, Jonny (or to any of u wh0rez) I suggest to raise ur voice - otherwise those damn admins get too cocky ;)
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04
...otherwise those damn admins get too cocky ;)
Cocky admins ey? Watch it or we will make YOU an admin too. ;)
And to johnny: the kick was out of line, chat killing isn't mentioned anywhere in the forum rules. The admin probably had a bad day, but don't get pissed, get even ;D.
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04..otherwise those damn admins get too cocky ;)
Quote from: Molgan[ApA] on 2006-06-19 20:58:55The admin probably had a bad day..
It seems that our admins have had a lot of bad days recently..
Our server has become more like a prison - if you make even a little bad move what "an admin who is having a bad day" doesn't like it, then you get bunished for it. Most regular ones who use to play a lot in our server, just won't play there anymore, cauz they are AFRAID of our admins.. they are underpressure that next move they make might not please the admin.. or whatever...
My point is that, yes, our admins should step back a little bit and not be so hasty to kick pkayers.
Well they should be afraid of breaking the rules..
Well im not a admin though that kicks someone without a reason,kicks comes from me only when i see the player teamswitches alot or just got a bad mouth against all moving and non moving objects.Language breaking rule is the most pop one that someone gets kicked for,the english rule.
There is tough stuff to take care of like admin abuse wich is a problem at the moment..no need for names either.
And players that are afraid?..
please if they are so damn afraid and dont like the thing they just need to go to the forum and whine/complain,simple as that.
Right Here (http://forum.apskaft.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=9)
It exists to bring improvements..or do the players think we shut down their line if we dont like what we see? or is it that some people cant read or find the adress in the server?
or ask after the server adress?..or even google 'Apskaft' or altavista? whatever..
complaining is easy doing..but its really much talking and no action if they dont even voice up.
My late opinion.
Quote from: Raven on 2006-06-23 18:09:34And players that are afraid?..
please if they are so damn afraid and dont like the thing they just need to go to the forum and whine/complain,simple as that.
ok.. "afraid" was maybe a bad word...
but there are many players who are just too lazy (or don't speak english maybe?), so instead of whining/complaining they go to another server.
If that admin stuff continues, we will just lose our "lazy" guests ^^
Ye, oc you have your own opinion of this one also without knowing shit about what happened.. U hear the story from one side and u think u understand everything that happened there at once..
I didnt c this post before because i usualy dont check this forum...
So to the case:
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04
This is total nonsense again >:( Another nickmongrel! Though it's just a short version of "maXmex", u didn't know it. Aswell other nonregulars could have guessed it.
Server rules say that regular players can't fakenick, especially if the person has admin rights >:( So I see a definate rulebreaking by an admin here, not u Jonny.
So what the heck do u know about this mr? I remember this pretty well after all its a while ago. Its not my fault Jonny here cant complain in the wrong forum in the wrong way. My exact nick for this incident was ma?me?[ApA], so there shouldnt be hard to come to me ask what this was all about instead of posting in this forum would it?
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04
Typekilling IS disturbing but u can't always see what the "typer" is actually doing - maybe he's sniping u instead :P It really depends of a situation whether to have mercy on the "innocent" or just brutally murder it >:D And godamn, if u type in open space, not facing wall or corner, expect to be killed and just deal with it :)
So what do u know about where i was standing atm this happened? And why i was standing there typing? As far as i can recall it was a regular teamswapper again... So i found it extremely annoying of Jonny here to typekill me and then use a speedcombo when i was alone there anyways. If he payd alittle attention to what was going on he knew about this also. Its not fair play to typekill someone like that when u know he is typing, and u know his team is undermanned becaus of a teamswapper. If this wasnt this old i could go get the serverlogs and describe exactly what happened, but whats for sure is YOU mitchrix dont have any idea of what happened, cauz you wasnt there. You only want to have your own thoughts about it. So please speak up when u got facts infront of you man.
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04
So yeah, shame on our admins (once again :-[). If something like this happens to u again, Jonny (or to any of u wh0rez) I suggest to raise ur voice - otherwise those damn admins get too cocky ;)
Yeye, again i say this: YOU dont have any ide of what you talk about. Dont jump to conclusions always...
We all know of ur triggerhappy finger regarding all sort of admin's "fun features" (especially slapping and kicking) so I think YOU don't have much to argue here anyway.
Concerning the past situation u should have been angry at the teamswapper, not at Jonny. He might have been in such a capping dash that he missed the swap ::)
Ye, he might be so cap hungry he do typekill the guy trying to talk to the teamswapper and then use adrenaline just to be sure he could make it home after that.. Fair play... What do u know about my triggerhappyness dude? Why shouldnt i kick Jonny when he go for a typekilling and speedcombo flagrun instead of fixing the teams at that moment? I know u dont understand shit of this so i'm not discussing this any further with you in this forum. If you want something man, you know where to find me...
Quote from: maXmexI know u dont understand shit of this so i'm not discussing this any further with you in this forum. If you want something man, you know where to find me...
Very nice retirement speech, max :D Though, I'm not as stupid as u think of me. I'm not gonna follow ur steps and dig out an old bone to pick with u.
Quote from: maXmexWhat do u know about my triggerhappyness dude?
I know enough to mention it (and it's sure i'm not the only one who has witnessed that)
Hmm, maybe u should think twice before u judge someone to avoid such silly situations like this? Or just forget ur FEELINGS before u log in as an admin and decide what's best for YOU? U DO know that admins should be righteous not selfish, do ya?
ugh, as i said i didn't want to turn this into an argument - so here are the facts:
I was going for the flag (after all this is vctf) and had a lg in my hands. On seeing a defender by the flag i shot him once. After this shot i realised he was typing, but reasoned that that's his fault as he could have been saying anything about anyone, and should have chosen a better place to do it.
Quote from: maXmex[ApA] on 2006-09-30 14:42:49
As far as i can recall it was a regular teamswapper again... So i found it extremely annoying of Jonny here to typekill me and then use a speedcombo when i was alone there anyways. If he payd alittle attention to what was going on he knew about this also.
I am not an admin and therefore rarely pay attention to the teams/scores, let alone team switchers, so no i didnt know that was happening. Seeing no wrong in it, i shot you again and you died, then i used speed to escape my many persuers. Halfway down that small map i was kicked. I explained all this in the 1st post i made.
- the arguments:
Quote from: maXmex[ApA] on 2006-09-30 14:42:49
Ye, oc you have your own opinion of this one also without knowing shit about what happened.. U hear the story from one side and u think u understand everything that happened there at once..
There is only one side to this story, and it's the one i've told - im not trying to make any1 look bad here, just felt it was unfair. As for mitchrix, he does know what happened as i xplained in my 1st post, but he was onnly joking about the ApA admins neway, so don't take it out on him:
Quote from: MitchriX on 2006-06-16 19:25:04If something like this happens to u again, Jonny (or to any of u wh0rez) I suggest to raise ur voice - otherwise those damn admins get too cocky ;)
The above is a joke
Quote from: maXmex[ApA] on 2006-09-30 14:42:49So what the heck do u know about this mr? I remember this pretty well after all its a while ago. Its not my fault Jonny here cant complain in the wrong forum in the wrong way. My exact nick for this incident was ma?me?[ApA], so there shouldnt be hard to come to me ask what this was all about instead of posting in this forum would it?
The 'x' character u used doesnt show up in my game, so i saw u as mame.
Imo, Molgans post is right, and the way maxmex should have handled this. I don?t want this to be an argument, and frankly don?t care anymore ? but what I have said is what happened, and I thought it was unfair at the time.
END of story.
I wasnt finished afterall when the involved parts dont contact me in irc or other private mediums but continue trying making me look bad i have those further comments (thread locked):
Jonny: I saw ingame that you knew u did typekill me, the fact that i was already dealing with teamswappers and u did this together with speedcombo back was enough for me to kick you. You should always pay attention to what happens to teams and so on anyways if your an admin or not. A simple kick isnt that hard punishment is it? I think i also explained this kick to you when you rejoined the game, dont remember anymore. This isnt about you actually, it is about Mitchrix judging others by presuming what happened.
Mitchrix:
I got only one thing to say to you dude: go analyze your own attitude before you judge someone actually trying to do something. Actually the only thing your good at is complaining, but when it comes to doing anything yourself your short. Yes, i know i have done stupid things as admin, and yes i did apologize for it afterwards to the one involved. But that just never happened to be you... How do u know i think your stupid btw?
let's beat a dead horse, shall we? ::)